Solfège, rythme, notations, modes...

Messagede katchum » Sam Juil 12, 2008 10:31 am

Hello

I'd like more info about the two schools of harmony notation.

I'm raised in the first school which uses:

C major:
I = do mi sol
II = re fa la
III = mi sol si
IV = fa la do
V = sol si re
VI = la do mi
VII = si re fa

D major:

I = re fa# la
II = mi sol si
III = fa# la do#
IV = sol si re
V = la do# mi
VI = si re fa#
VII = do# mi sol

But I've seen another school out there that uses I II III IV V VI VII and i ii iii iv v vi vii.

What's the deal with that???
Is it an America - Europe difference???
Which school is the best???
Which school were you raised in???
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Messagede Franck » Sam Juil 12, 2008 2:18 pm

It's just a matter of notation convention. There's no way better than the other.

I II III IV V VI VII is for the major mode and i ii iii iv v vi vii for the minor mode.

Most of the time i saw the first way notation.
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Messagede katchum » Sam Juil 12, 2008 2:36 pm

I don't understand the I II ... - i ii ... convention.

Is it this then:

C major:

I = do mi sol
ii = re fa la
iii = mi sol si
IV = fa la do
V = sol si re
vi = la do mi
vii = si re fa (this isn't even a minor chord...)



or do you mean:

C major:

I II III IV V VI VII

C minor:

i ii iii iv v vi vii : do mib sol/re fa lab/mib sol sib/fa lab do/sol sib re/lab do mib/sib re fa

If it is this way, then there is no big difference between the two schools because it's only another notation when you are in minor.
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Messagede Franck » Lun Juil 14, 2008 8:42 am

I did see the 2 ways in harmony notation.

Yes, i saw sometimes (ex : in Major Mode) I ii iii IV V vi VII to separate minor and Major chord.
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Messagede katchum » Lun Juil 14, 2008 10:33 am

So when do you use II then because in:

C major you have ii = re fa la
c minor you have ii = re fa lab

Neither of them are a major chord re fa# la.
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Messagede Franck » Mer Juil 23, 2008 6:33 pm

I use :

II for major chord

ii for minor chord

II(barré ou blocked...sorry there isn't the character police) for diminished Chord
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Messagede Setzer » Jeu Juil 24, 2008 1:38 pm

To be honest, I have never seen such writing !

For me, roman numbers don't represent chords, but degrees of a gamme or mode.

If you want to write a chord, please use the super-widespread standard :
C for [do-mi-sol]
Cm for [do-mib-sol]
etc...
as explained in the article :
http://www.noctaventures.com/phpBB2/vie ... =4971#4971
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Messagede Franck » Jeu Juil 24, 2008 1:45 pm

En fait tu as ce type d'écriture dans certains livres de théorie musicale. Dans ce cas, cela permet de mettre en valeur les relations entre les degrés.
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